The short end of this is a question raised about traveling folks using TOR from Campgrounds on low end hardware. Seems a non-trivial query too as there are a growing number of "Full Timers" that live in mobile housing and are politically desiring to support TOR. The overview of the query comes down to this- NOT needing a "Read the FAQ" storm folks- does anyone here have real hands on experience with TOR at all? Then the next element is running TOR on lower end Linux boxes -under 1 ghz P4's under 1gig ram at all? And if TOR will not be a performance impact on that class of systems- what then of running on Wifi chains of 3 links average?
Example of RV park network typical chain being- DSL>Firewall Router>1st air hop>USB "dongle">linux box as BEST case with often several additional "Repeaters" My stepdaughter reports seeing an average of 3 AP chains in typical parks as a real example.
ALL this data to ask the question then if TOR is practical for RV based travellers to both use and participate in?
I'm guessing dog slow. At or around dialup speed and slower as you add more users. You are already loading multiple users on a single DSL line and add to that the latency with multiple wireless APs and then on top of that you add TOR. I don't think the 1GB Ram is bad, but I'm not sure if the 1GHz PC will be bare minimum. Check the TOR project page for recommendations since it is blocked for me at work.
Brian
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Oren Beck Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:52 AM To: kclug Subject: TOR and Linux -in the real world- on lower end hardware?
The short end of this is a question raised about traveling folks using TOR from Campgrounds on low end hardware. Seems a non-trivial query too as there are a growing number of "Full Timers" that live in mobile housing and are politically desiring to support TOR. The overview of the query comes down to this- NOT needing a "Read the FAQ" storm folks- does anyone here have real hands on experience with TOR at all? Then the next element is running TOR on lower end Linux boxes -under 1 ghz P4's under 1gig ram at all? And if TOR will not be a performance impact on that class of systems- what then of running on Wifi chains of 3 links average?
Example of RV park network typical chain being- DSL>Firewall Router>1st air hop>USB "dongle">linux box as BEST case with often several additional "Repeaters" My stepdaughter reports seeing an average of 3 AP chains in typical parks as a real example.
ALL this data to ask the question then if TOR is practical for RV based travellers to both use and participate in?
On Tue, January 8, 2008 08:51, Oren Beck wrote:
The short end of this is a question raised about traveling folks using TOR from Campgrounds on low end hardware.
Orin, wtf is "TOR"? TCP Over Racing-pigeon?
It's bad enough when people use non-standard acronyms of their own devising on IRC, where you can get an explanation in real time, but for a semi-literate mailing list, we should do better.
There was an old "stylesheet" (book of rules for how things get written consistently), I think it was the NY Times or the Times of London, that suggested that the first usage of an acronym should spell out the term, followed by the abbreviation in parenthes, so: TCP Over Racing-pigeon (TOR).
On Wed, January 9, 2008 11:03, Jonathan Hutchins wrote:
On Tue, January 8, 2008 08:51, Oren Beck wrote:
The short end of this is a question raised about traveling folks using TOR from Campgrounds on low end hardware.
Orin, wtf is "TOR"? TCP Over Racing-pigeon?
Ok, google first before you shoot your mouth off. I should have had more coffee.
I presume you meant TOR anonymization. I actually thought you _might_ be talking about bittorrent.
The only places I've seen reference to "TOR" has been on IRC, where the comments have been pretty universally negative, in that not only is it considered impolite, it's not very secure, and doesn't really do what you think it does. That's what I've heard anyway, so I didn't immediately assume that's what you meant. In light of that, I'm surprised to see it seriously discussed here.
*Tor* (*The Onion Router*) is a free software implementation of second-generation onion routing – a system enabling its users to communicate anonymously http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*Tor*_(anonymity_network)
Note: No pigeons were harmed in the creation of this message.
On Jan 9, 2008 11:03 AM, Jonathan Hutchins [email protected] wrote:
On Tue, January 8, 2008 08:51, Oren Beck wrote:
The short end of this is a question raised about traveling folks using TOR from Campgrounds on low end hardware.
Oren, WTF is "TOR"? TCP Over Racing-pigeon?
It's bad enough when people use non-standard acronyms of their own devising on IRC, where you can get an explanation in real time, but for a semi-literate mailing list, we should do better.
There was an old "stylesheet" (book of rules for how things get written consistently), I think it was the NY Times or the Times of London, that suggested that the first usage of an acronym should spell out the term, followed by the abbreviation in parentheses, so: TCP Over Racing-pigeon (TOR).
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