KCLUG November 2004

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funky error from hotplug?
by Brian Densmore 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

I have this strange behavior on two of my PCs. I have removed acpi from my systems, but something somewhere is still trying to run it. I get error messages dumped to the console as a result. Something about not being able to load acpi because the path or program doesn't exist. Anyone have any ideas on where I should look to remove this? Thanks, Brian Densmore

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Re: Network cloning of raid array
by Brian Kelsay 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

I don't know if Ghost can do RAID systems. Go to Symantec's site and look. I have never used any of those tools to copy a RAID system. google site:symantec.com raid filesystem ghost Brian Kelsay >>> Brad <> 11/09/04 12:16PM >>> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 11:25, djgoku wrote: > Could you just tar up the system boot to a live cd mount / and untar? > > For the reasons Brian Kelsay mentioned, I would rather use ghost than tar, but was hoping to not have to resort to ghost.

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Xen 2.0 Virtual Machine
by djgoku 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

This looks really cool, going to try this tonight hopefully. It is a vmware like program that is free =), and faster by what there benchmark show. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ -- dj_goku -www.djgoku.com- -www.tektronic.org-

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RE: Server Distributions
by Brian Densmore 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Hildreth > > > If used properly Portage is very powerful and works > very well. > Therein lies the rub. It is not all that trivial to make it and keep it working properly. Especially if you go trying to run certain specific apps or when you have one app that gets removed from the portage list. I've had portage break on me several times, but maybe I'm loading unusual apps, or they've improved portage. Not that portage isn't a great package management utility. It's far far better than rpm. But you still have to compile everything. In the time it take you to run one portage, I can run a dozen apt-get update && apt-get upgrades, given equivalent systems and not off-loading the compiles to a compile-farm. Don't get me wrong, I like gentoo. I just think that debian is the easiest and most stable methods of running Linux and keeping it up to date. The only thing that would be better is tweaked debian the way SuSE, Mandrake and RH tweak the kernel and other code to run better. Most of those tweaks find their way back into the community, but not necessarily all. Brian D.

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RE: Package Management
by Brian Densmore 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Hutchins > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:10 AM > To: kclug(a)kclug.org > Subject: Re: Package Management > > > On Thursday 18 November 2004 05:39 pm, Brian Densmore wrote: > > > Not that portage isn't a great package management utility. > > It's far far better than rpm. > > RPM and Portage are almost completely different tools for > very different > ... It would be more realistic to compare Portage > to up2date, urpmi, or YaST. Ok, if you want to get technical, then let me restate. Not that portage isn't a great package management utility. It's far far better than up2date, urpmi, YaST, or *any* other RPM-based package management system. But in the end, apt is still better and easier to use. The apt learning curve is much smaller than portage. Although I understand that BSD has what is considered the best. Of course this is all subjective (for the most part). You like gentoo and portage? More power to you. You like urpmi? Wonderful. I like apt. Here are my reasons: 1) It took a half hour to learn everything I need to know about apt to be expert and efficient at using it; 2) it took me less than an hour to make, test, debug, and install a debian package (it worked and installed and was recognized by dpkg and apt), complete with dependency handling; 3) it is robust enough to be able to fix broken installs without having to trash everything, so far; 4) it requires very little thought to install anything; 5) it doesn't require days to upgrade because everything needs to be compiled. Sure there are a few things that require a bit of work, such as installing a package not in the official lists. But simply adding the source information in a text configuration file for a non-authorized debian package and running 'apt-get update && apt-get install <custom package>' installs it, and afterward running 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' will handle updating all installed packages including the custom ones. IMNSHO, Brian D.

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RE: Fedora Legacy Project
by Brian Densmore 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

And why would anyone not want to upgrade to 9? Unless of course it's a hardware thing. I would think anyone running 7.2 should seriously think about upgrading to at least 7.3. Hell 7.2 is older than debian "stable". > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Hutchins > > FLP isn't supporting RH 7.2 or 8.0 any more, they recommend > that 7.2 users > upgrade to 7.3 and 8.0 users upgrade to 9. >

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Fedora Legacy Project
by Jonathan Hutchins 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

FLP isn't supporting RH 7.2 or 8.0 any more, they recommend that 7.2 users upgrade to 7.3 and 8.0 users upgrade to 9.

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RE: Server Distributions
by Brian Densmore 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Hutchins > > Mandrake is a good desktop distro, but I've never run it as a > server, and > there are issues ... Exactly, why I switched to gentoo and then to debian. But it was a good stable server for me. With only two issues: unnecessary required rpms and updating of packages. Both were easy enough to overcome for an intermediate Linux geek. > > I mean to try Debian, but am reluctant to rely on source code > packages without > a package management system. It's not clear to me that you can do a > complete debian install and stay within the apt system. Can you? One I have not installed any source code packages on most of my debian systems. I did install one on my desktop system because there was no debian package (a genealogy app). It is quite easy to stay within apt and install everything. If you find an application that that is not true for, I will walk you through the process of creating a package for it. It's not very difficult. All that said, if I were recommending for a client, I would look for a commercial debian distro that met their requirements and recommend that. The reason being is the ability to buy support from the vendor and for the sanity of management types.

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SENDMAIL - HELP - SUSE
by Leland Riffel 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

Hello KCLUG mailing list, Michael Gebbards and my self [Lee Riffel] [ I was the new kid on the block at the first KCLUG meeting in November]; will be attending the KCLUG meeting on 11-17-2004 at the KC Library.. Mike and I are interested in finding out how to extract from SUSE disks the SENDMAIL program. We have been assigned this subject as a project. The following need to be covered: Configuration Options and Setup, The Functions the Package Supports, Examples of use, Security Considerations, Sources of Information and Support , Where Releases of the Package my be Obtained , We need to be familiar with the package manager used by SUSE and reinstall the package from the distribution disks without using the initial install process. We need to demonstarate use and configuartion and setup. We will see you at teh meeting. Thanks Lee Riffel 816 328 3483 - Work > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <kclug-request(a)kclug.org> > To: <kclug(a)kclug.org> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:00 PM > Subject: Kclug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 26 > > > > Send Kclug mailing list submissions to > > kclug(a)kclug.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > kclug-request(a)kclug.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > kclug-owner(a)kclug.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Kclug digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Proposed Web site redesign (beta) (David Nicol) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:36:15 -0600 > > From: David Nicol <davidnicol(a)gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: Proposed Web site redesign (beta) > > To: Steven Hildreth <sphildreth(a)gmail.com> > > Cc: kclug <kclug(a)kclug.org> > > Message-ID: <934f64a2041115123629c372d0(a)mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > > On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:25:48 -0600, Steven Hildreth > > <sphildreth(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Wow am I ever sorry I brought it up. In my opinion, its now very > > > obvious why the kclug site is static and visually archaic. > > > > you say that like it's a bad thing > > > > > > -- > > David L Nicol > > "Factions are likely, in the course of time, > > to become potent engines, by which cunning, > > ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled > > to subvert the power of the people, and to usurp for > > themselves the reins of government; destroying afterward > > the very engines which have lifted them to unjust domination." > > -- George Washington > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Kclug mailing list > > Kclug(a)kclug.org > > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug > > > > > > End of Kclug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 26 > > ************************************

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RE: SuSE Package Management (was Re: SENDMAIL - HELP - SUSE)
by Brian Densmore 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Hutchins > > ... but right now I don't > know what I > _would_ recommend. <best Horshack(sic?) voice> OOO! OOO! I know Mr. Kotter! The answer is debian! </voice> I'm not sure why SuSE wouldn't make a good server, but I haven't used it in a while. Last I checked, all the major distros had a server install selection. I like debian because of the ease of maintenance, and the ability to install and activate only what you need. It's clean, stable and straight forward if you use apt to maintain the system and get on the debian-security mailing list. Mandrake also has a server only option, but adds other packages that I would prefer not be installed on a server. Of course it depends on what your server is serving. Then there is always www.distrowatch.com which could be searched for a server distro (such as Zenix to name but one). Brian D.

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